Curse

bobrath · Aug 05, 2005, 07:15 PM // 19:15

Congrats to funbun on being such a l33t uber droknar killer...

Now then for the rest of the folks that haven't had the chance to get any skills or combat experience because they are just learning the game why can't we make sure their sandbox isn't too deep? Do you let kindergardeners play in the same area as 5th graders?

Setting a level limit on armors is a nice idea, but the armor is the smaller part of the "problem". Its the Elite and later aquired skills that cause much more imbalance. Not sure how you can limit a skill to a level since there's no precedent for that in the current game.

funbun · Aug 05, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Now then for the rest of the folks that haven't had the chance to get any skills or combat experience because they are just learning the game why can't we make sure their sandbox isn't too deep? Do you let kindergardeners play in the same area as 5th graders?

Why do you think newbz get drankor's armor in the first place?

bobrath · Aug 05, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59

New players wouldn't know about droknars. So I can only assume that you're refering to those players that like to feel better by taking advantage of a system to win over other newer players.

Lebdan · Aug 05, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Off all the suggestions about how to avoid the people that rush ahead in game, I think the best would be to have checkpoints in each city with an arena, or key areas you need to pass by to get to advanced cities. It's the best for avoiding both veteran/elite skills and armors. There could be some tweaks here or there on this suggestion, if there is any flaws. What do you think?

Mayar third Keeper · Aug 05, 2005, 11:05 PM // 23:05

just prevent players with elite skill or higher armor to enter the arena. Like prevent nonascende from entering the uw. If they drop the elite skills and the armor they can enter. This should fix it without disadvantages.

Lebdan · Aug 05, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

But it's not only Elite skills that hurt in arena. Skills like Final Thrust and Galrath Slash are a pain. Or spells like Meteor.

Lebdan · Aug 06, 2005, 07:04 PM // 19:04

This is definitely stupid. You can't go in Arena anymore without facing two or more rushers. Something has to be done. -.-

Winterclaw · Aug 06, 2005, 07:10 PM // 19:10

I don't know which ones are worse, the warriors with the best armor, or the monks with Zealot's fire and Balthazarr's Aura? My guess is the latter since they can usually do a ton of damage to the other team.

funbun · Aug 06, 2005, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Quit complaining. Learn the skill and killem.

Lebdan · Aug 06, 2005, 07:33 PM // 19:33

funbun, stop replying like it's a normal thing to rush ahead just to pwn arenas.

Iraqalypse Now · Aug 06, 2005, 07:39 PM // 19:39

You don't even have to ban people wearing droknar's armor, you just have to make the game treat droknar armor etc. as lower AR armor...

Get a good mes/nec or nec/mes with Soul Barbs and you can do quite a lot of armor peircing damage, and just go after warriors in general.

Sir Santiago · Aug 06, 2005, 07:43 PM // 19:43

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Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I don't know which ones are worse, the warriors with the best armor, or the monks with Zealot's fire and Balthazarr's Aura? My guess is the latter since they can usually do a ton of damage to the other team.

They both suck :-P

I faced both today doing some Yak's Bend Arena.

How is it fair if the warrior with Droknar's armor only takes 0-1 damage each time I hit him? He says, "so what", moves on, and ignores me. Other melee oriented characters can't touch him either. Oh, wait a sec -- casters can take him down or disable him, right? Nope. He takes them down in a few swipes. Forgot to mention he has an uber fiery dragon sword!

I ran into the Smiters with the Zealot's Fire / Balthazaar's Aura combo a lot more today than usual, maybe because I just got to Yak's Arena (it certainly seems less common in Ascalon). Needless to say, one monk in particular was a ton of trouble for my descent team (which won 11 consecutive, but in the end lost to a team with this monk). He completely wrecked us, and managed to tank both warriors for considerable time while dropping both of them to probably near 25% health by the time we could kill him, IF we killed him. All that focusing on one guy did no good, because the rest of our team died while we were trying in vain to take him down.. How is that fair?

Someone before argued that even with Droknar's armor, he is a vet. Ok, so let's say you and your team of Droknar's armor and elite using vets face an equally talented team of vets.. Who wins? You do. You have an unfair advantage, and you know it.

This matter needs to be fixed. For some of us who don't like rushing (remember those Diablo 2 days?) and actually play the game through, it's nice to once in a while take a break at the low-level arena.

Low-level PvP is ruined by these people. The amount of fair competition is dwindling fast. Why are late-game skills & gear allowed in these arenas? Shouldn't they belong in late-game PvP?

*Frustrated rant over.

Winterclaw · Aug 06, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by funbun

Quit complaining. Learn the skill and killem.

Not everyone wants to "cheat" like that funbun.

Lampshade · Aug 06, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Well I rushed my monk from Beacons to Droknars..... at lvl 19.

I'm not a very good GW player and the Dopplegranger is really hard with monks.

Lebdan · Aug 06, 2005, 11:50 PM // 23:50

Well, if you did that at level 10 I'd jump on you. But I did that to my Mesmer at level 20, because I didn't know after the dragon thing mission you were warped to Droknar -.-;

funbun · Aug 07, 2005, 02:41 AM // 02:41

The monk Mirror is easy. Just pump up on smite. You can't heal him to death.

Fox Reeveheart · Aug 07, 2005, 03:40 AM // 03:40

my only 2 cents.

I dont want to have to go through the game again to get the good stuff, especially with how bad the gold is to get with new characters x.x UGH.

I dont even like pvp cause i am terrible at it (especially with crappy comp and lag OMG! THE LAG IN PVP IS TERRRRIBLE FOR ME SO I DONT EVEN PVP ANYMORE).

Because i dont get alot of cash, I wanna save up for the best stuff early and get it ASAP, i dont wanna go and pwn a bunch of low levels, no fun =\ i wanna go pwn a bunch of same level charr or dwarves! dont take away my ascension armor though i am not ascended e.e

bobrath · Aug 07, 2005, 03:31 PM // 15:31

Fox, no one is seriously advocating taking away the path from Beacons to Droknars. All we want is some parity in the low level arenas.

Half measures like adjusting armor to level, or trying to prevent entrance based on posession of armor/skills are far more difficult then a simple check of "have you been past city X". Once someone reaches Yak's Bend (there's no way around it), then they should never be allowed back into Ascalon arena. Once someone reaches Camp Rankor or Lion's Arch, then they should never be allowed back into Yak's arean. Its a simple fix that's easily enforced and allows "balancing" of the arenas soley based on where you can find skills or armor.

Even better this has *0* affect on the PvE game or on the folks that just want to open up all the skills for their pvp chars.

RebelLeader · Aug 07, 2005, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by bobrath

Fox, no one is seriously advocating taking away the path from Beacons to Droknars. All we want is some parity in the low level arenas.

Half measures like adjusting armor to level, or trying to prevent entrance based on posession of armor/skills are far more difficult then a simple check of "have you been past city X". Once someone reaches Yak's Bend (there's no way around it), then they should never be allowed back into Ascalon arena. Once someone reaches Camp Rankor or Lion's Arch, then they should never be allowed back into Yak's arean. Its a simple fix that's easily enforced and allows "balancing" of the arenas soley based on where you can find skills or armor.

Even better this has *0* affect on the PvE game or on the folks that just want to open up all the skills for their pvp chars.

Bob, Your ideas really suk... Now you start finding elite skills in high level places like the desert. People in the desert are normally lvl 18 and above.. Now why should the game balance skills if EVERYONE works to have the best build? So all their work on getting the best build is gone thanks to your suggestion. I dont know about you but ive been to droknars and it isnt what most people think... To buy the ultimate armor u will need about 15-17k on hands depending on the constantly fluctuating prices... A mere noob cannot get there, a low leveld player with a second account could though. Now something else i MUST clear up, until u get to the Tomb of Primeval Kings you will not see players using elite skills against you (Unless you g vs g). So in ascalon everyone has the noob skills, at yaks everyone has little less noob skills and so on. I went to through the strory and became ascended within 5 days that i got the game and evry elite skill i have ( only 5 or 6) has come through the Facets in the Dragons lair OR Bosses at desert.

entropy · Aug 07, 2005, 06:42 PM // 18:42

I think it isstupid to complain when you get owned in ascalon arena. So what lvl some more and play in the lvl20 arena's its not that hard even if you only hacve an hour or half an hour a day to get there. Actually though about the post above I have seen rangers with the elite poison arrow in ascalon guildies and other people help the low lvl players by killing the bosses and letting the low level players get elite skills. As far as it goes so what? I as an ele have killed many rangers with elite skills and probably droks armor just choose your skills wisely it isn't as hard as everyone makes it out to be. Sure it isn't Fair but in every game there will be exploitation of some kind. Don't get all upset over it.